Friday, May 5, 2017


Why did Trump say that Australia's healthcare was better than US healthcare while supporting a bill that is so horribly different from Australia's healthcare?

Really. What's up with that?

Did he say it because he's ignorant about Australia's healthcare?

Did he say it because he has no idea what the new healthcare bill entails? it both of the above?

Obamacare is far from perfect.  I'm not a big fan.  But Obamacare is closer to Australia's healthcare than Trump-care.   Why would Trump praise a system of universal healthcare while bringing us even farther from it?

I'm tired of living in an illogical world.

I don't need or expect the world to be perfect.  I just want it to make a little more sense.  


Ross said...

Australia's Medicare system has bipartisan support from both of the major parties.

Why is it different in the United States? Please explain, in layperson's terms.

Dina said...


I'm not an expert on these things. I have only my own personal ideas and of course it will be in layperson terms, since I'm not a professional.

I think that many Americans are ignorant about the rest of the world. They have this idea that the US is the best country in the world, that all other countries WISH they were the US, and therefore what every other country does has to be inferior.

Even though universal-type healthcare seems to be doing quite well in many countries, this is ignored by people who believe the US needs to do something different.

I think the other issue is very racially motivated. Some Americans were not happy with the US having a black president. Therefore some people hate "Obamacare" simply because it came from Obama. So I think that brought about extra resistance.

I think with every progressive policy, there is going to be resistance. Then eventually the majority of society becomes habituated to the policy, and only a small fringe group continues to protest against it.

For example, I think most of society accepts interacial marriage and the ending of slavery and institutional segregation. Just like most of Australia now probably accepts universal healthcare. I don't know the history there. Was there ever strong resistance? Maybe I'll go read about that later....

Anyway, I'm not sure how often there is such a strong fight to take AWAY a progressive policy. And how often does the fight actually succeed?

It's scary for us on the left, because as it is hard not to live in a society that doesn't have a law or right you wish to have, it's even harder when you GET the right/law, and then it's taken away.

Oh! One other thing...kind of important. I think the US might have more of a libertarian idealism than Australia? I think there's the idea that the US should all be about freedom. People should do what they want and the government shouldn't interfere. Low taxes, Federal shouldn't interfere with states, etc.

Australia has that too, of course. A lot of countries do, probably. But I think the US might have more of it. It's very pro-capitalism.

I think the problem with many of us Americans is we want our cake and to eat it too. We don't want to pay a lot of taxes, yet we want benefits from our government. We had people praising aspects of Obamacare (adult offspring staying on parent's plan & and no penalties for pre-existing conditions) but they hated the law that required everyone to buy insurance. You have to have money coming into a system in order for it to provide all the goodies.

Ross said...

Americans can often be parochial, can't they?

This is a history of universal health care in Australia.

The Fraser government of 1975-1983 scaled it back, and the Liberal opposition opposed parts of Medicare, which was introduced in 1984. The majority of Australians have always supported it. No government would dare abolish it.

I think in general, Australians have become conditioned to government handouts. At the moment, our politicians aren't brave enough to cut any of them back.

Dina said...


Yeah. I think once we have a benefit, we're extremely resistant to having it being taken away.

Yes. I think Americans can be parochial. Do you think Australians are very much less so? As a conservative Christian, do you think being parochial is a good thing?

Do you see healthcare as a handout? Do you wish Australia didn't have a single payer type system?