Tuesday, August 26, 2008

I Can Sometimes Relate To Eli Stone


Several days ago I wrote about chasing coincidences--the story of how my dreams led me to being interested in both spirituality and Australia.

I had found a book called Conscious Dreaming--written by an Australian (Robert Moss).   The book opened my eyes and mind to all types of spiritual things.

I decided to read the book again--now about three and half years later.   I'm about a third of the way through and loving it all over again.

In the introduction chapter, he talks a lot about Australia.

In the introduction chapter, he talks a lot about Australia. I'm guessing that when I first read the book I had never heard of any of these Australian things that he mentions. I think the only thing I knew about Australia was that it had kangaroos and koalas, and the capital was Sydney (Ha!) Oh, I also probably know about Eucalyptus trees.

Now I know so much more, and I finally have the whole capital thing straightened out in my mind.

I'm not beating myself up for being ignorant about Australia. There's so much in the world to know, and we can't know everything. I just think it's amazing how you can know next to nothing about something one day; and some time later....know so much.

At one time, my family knew nothing about head injuries.I don't think we had ever even heard of them--well, at least I had never heard of it or thought of it. Then someone in my family had a major one, and suddenly we were forced to be experts.   At one point, we probably knew more than some doctors (well, the ones that are NOT Neurosurgeons).

Okay, honestly Conscious Dreaming is much more about Spirituality than it is about Australia.  And in fact, the author no longer even lives in Australia.  He lives in New York. Like me, he was led, through his dreams and synchronicity, to a geographical location.

I can see how reading that book must have brought me enormous amounts of comfort.   It talks about the spiritual aspects of dreams--which I don't think I had heard much about.

For my whole life, I had always had very vivid dreams.  Some of them felt so real and important.

I don't think I ever received any type of validation for these experiences. I read (and was told) that dreams are just random images--your brain getting rid of garbage.   Then, I got my undergraduate degree in psychology--a field which (outside of Jung) usually strips all spirituality away from dreams and turns it into a dry science of symbolism.

This book helped me to realize and accept that you can have personal spiritual experiences--that I don't have to rely on a Rabbi, the Torah, or a Synagogue to experience spirituality.

I am grateful that I found the book--or that the book found me.

I think it's the type of book that someone like me needs to keep reading--well, just to feel moderately okay about myself.    You receive quite a lot of opposition when you believe the stuff that I believe.

First there's the religious opposition.   I met a lovely nanny in the park one day.  This was when my spiritual awakening was in it's infancy--a few months old.  We became playground friends during the summer.   The only challenge was she was a very religious Christian.  I politely listened to her talk about her religious beliefs and kept quiet about my own. Finally, I felt brave enough to speak up and talk about my beliefs.  She politely told me that all that I experienced was the work of Satan.    I wish I can say that I completely dismissed what she said.  But there was a part of me that doubted myself.   There was a part of me that took my beautiful and amazing experiences, and began to twist them into something sinister.   I'm sure I wasn't much different from the Aboriginals and Native Americans who abandoned their spiritual beliefs, stopped being "heathens" and embraced Christianity.

Yeah.   It's hard to have faith when someone tells you that your beliefs are evil.

Then there's the world of science and psychology.

Robert Moss says:

If a fear of dreams breeds witchfinders, it also spawns reductionists  who are perhaps more deadly (or at least more deadening) because they invoke  scientific jargon in a society where "science" is widely presumed to have all the answers.  Turn a certain kind of scientist loose on the dreaming mind and you will soon be informed that dreams are hallucinations  spawned by the wash of chemicals or nonsensical clutter triggered by random neural firing.  Such findings are usually reported without a single reference to the researcher's personal experience of  dreaming, which speaks eloquently about their value.

I love what he says here.   I think the thing is....for SOME people this is what dreams feel like.  They don't have amazing epic dreams.   They rarely remember their dreams and if they do it's usually seemingly random meaningless images.   It makes sense for them to believe dreams are just brain farts.

It's hard to believe in something that hasn't happened to you.

It's hard to believe in something that can't be reproduced in a laboratory.  Although one book  I read talks about how even WITH laboratory evidence, a lot of scientists choose not to believe certain things


Because it's hard to believe in something that doesn't fit into how we already define our world.

I don't have a problem with skepticism--as long as it's done with an open-mind.  I DO have a problem with skeptics who have already decided there is no such thing as mysticism and will fight and deny any information that is out there.   They're so closed-minded.

On the same token, there are people who are too closed-minded in the other direction. They see a strange image and automatically declare. "I've seen a ghost!"  or "God has spoken to me!"

The universe is full of questions. Anyone who thinks they have a definite answer, or has 100% faith in something is a fool. At least in my eyes.

I feel it's best to have an open-mind and see every experience as having multiple valid explanations.


  1. Now that's a whopper of a post! I agree that an open mind is worthy but you don't want just anything at all blowing in...On the subject of coincidence have a look at my post on the topic "Not A Secret at All" at:


    I was ashamed to discover that this pedlar of dangerous nonsense is a compatriot. Do you know "The Chaser"? They became famous last year for providing "Security" at APEC - basically proving thereby that there wasn't any!

    I think another name for what you're describing is "Lucid Dreaming". I've tried it when I've become conscious that I was dreaming on a couple of occasions, but the conscious effort to control the dream wakes me up!

  2. Retarius,

    I'm totally NOT a fan of The Secret. I'm not sure if I'd call it dangerous nonsense. I think any spiritual belief can be called nonsense if you don't believe in it. As for dangerous, I guess any spiritual belief can be seen as delusional. And although some delusions, can keep us sane (in a weird way)...some CAN be dangerous if taken too far.

    I have so much to say about this. I'm wondering if I should just write a post.

    Maybe? Maybe not?

    For now I'll just say I disagree with the Secret. It's pretty much the opposite of what I believe.

  3. Dina, I'm really enjoying your posts on dreams - because that's one of my big interests too. :)

    "The universe is full of questions. Anyone who thinks they have a definite answer, or has 100% faith in something is a fool. At least in my eyes."

    So totally agree with this.

  4. Tors,


    Do you write down your dreams?

    I'd love to know more about your interest in it.

  5. I used to keep a dream journal. Then I got lazy.

    OK, this will probably sound strange... but I feel that dreams are proof of life after death. While our bodies sleep, our souls travel to other planes and perceive things. Sometimes we remember, sometimes we don't. Sometimes they're prophetic and sometimes you see things that have a totally different meaning. My grandmother, whom I was very close to, passed away in 2006 and has visited me in my dreams. And I dreamed of both my boys before they were born... I saw what they would look like and everything.

    I admit, I could be totally full of it, but I hope I'm not.

    My favorite dreams are of flying. I always start out not believing that I can fly, that I'll just fall... but then I try to let myself go and just fly.

    (this is turning into a random monologue, so I'll stop there...hehe)

  6. Tors,

    I believe the same things. You might like the Robert Moss book I talked about in this entry...well, if you haven't read it already. He talks about all that kind of stuff.

    I think it's awesome about seeing your children in your dream.

    The thing you say "I could be totally full of it, but I hope I'm not."

    That's so much how I feel. Sometimes, I feel delusional. But mostly I believe in it.

  7. I'm a fan of the secret but have a hard time practicing the learnings - I've resorted to watching Eli Stone and pretending it's my life, though! haha It's so witty! Ijsut finished watching the starter kit at abc http://abc.go.com/player/?channel=125571
    Can't wait to pretend I'm there again in season 2!

  8. Anonymous,

    What is the "starter kit"? Is this something I need to watch to be ready for season 2.

    I'm so excited about it!! I watched some clips on youtube today.

    I'm not a fan of The Secret, but I think the law of attraction, in general, has SOME merit.

    I believed in it when I was heard about it. But then I started thinking about my own life and realized it didn't fit. I've had too many times where I had low expectations/was negative and things turned out wonderful.

    I think that's the thing about spirituality. There are tons of books out there and they all make so much sense. It's easy to believe in them. But I think in the end you have to learn from your own personal spiritual experiences.

    I read a lot, but I get most of my spirituality from my dreams.